[daip] FRING memory requirements

Amy Mioduszewski amiodusz at nrao.edu
Tue May 12 18:05:23 EDT 2009


Hi Ingyin,

So I am confused about what you are trying to do.  Why do you need multiband 
delays?  I assumed you are trying to do a geodetic type calibration.  For this 
you need calibrators observed all over the sky and would not need to observe 
those with narrow channels.

Amy

Ingyin Zaw wrote:
>> Ingyin Zaw wrote:
>>>  On Thu, 7 May 2009, Eric Greisen wrote:
>>>
>>> >  Ingyin Zaw wrote:
>>> > >   Hello,
>>> > > > >   I checked setapmax. It was set to 528 Mbytes. I changed it 
>>> to the > >   maximum
>>> > >   allowed:
>>> > > >   setmaxap(0)
>>> > >   AIPS 1: SETMAXAP: current max dynamic AP is  6144.000 Mbytes
>>> > >   AIPS 1: SETMAXAP: allowed range is  20 to  6144 Mbytes
>>> > > > >   I still get the same memory error as below.
>>> > > > >   The fring parameters I've set (which are not defaults) are:
>>> > >   calsour '2145+067'
>>> > >   refant 6
>>> > >   solint 0
>>> > >   aparm 3 0 0 0 2 0
>>> > >   dparm 3 1 1 4.1 0
>>> > > > >   (docalib -1; flagver 0; doband -1).
>>> > > > >   Thanks,
>>> > >   Ingyin
>>> > > > > > > > >   On Wed, 6 May 2009, Eric Greisen wrote:
>>> > > > > >   Ingyin Zaw wrote:
>>> > > > >    Hello,
>>> > > > > > > > >   I'm trying to run FRING with aparm(5)=2 to solve 
>>> for multiband > > > >   and single
>>> > > > >   band delays on a file with 256 channels and 8 IFs 
>>> (experiment > > > >   BK114A). I
>>> > > > >    get the following error.
>>> > > > > > > > > FRING1:    Task FRING  (release of 31DEC09) begins
>>> > > > > FRING1:    You are using a non-standard program
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Doing no flagging this time
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Selecting the data
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Dividing data by source flux densities
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Determining solutions
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Doing Least Squares fits for multi- and 
>>> single-band > > > > FRING1:    delays
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Writing SN table    1
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Time=   0/ 02 28 14, Polarization = 1
>>> > > > > FRING1:    QINIT: did a GET  of      5120 Kwords, OFF > > > > 
>>> FRING1:    11963214967809
>>> > > > > FRING1:    FRNSRC: MEMORY TOO SMALL FOR SPECIFIED FFT SEARCH
>>> > > > > FRING1:    REDUCE DELAY AND/OR RATE WINDOW OR AVERAGE IN
>>> > > > > FRING1:    FREQUENCY OR USE A SHORTER SOLINT
>>> > > > > FRING1:    Purports to die of UNNATURAL causes
>>> > > > > FRING1:    rglinux9 31DEC09 TST: Cpu=      0.9  Real=      1 
>>> > > > >   IO=        86
>>> > > > >    AIPS 1: Resumes
>>> > > > >    AIPS 1: RETURN CODE      2 RECEIVED: STOPPING
>>> > > > > > > > >    I have set dparm 3 1 1 4.1 0. It seems strange 
>>> that it fails for > > > >    such a
>>> > > > >    small search window. It fails even when the search window 
>>> is set > > > >    to 0.1
>>> > > > >    nsec and 0.1 mHz. I'm not applying any calibrations or 
>>> bandpass.
>>> > > > > > > > >    I'm running 31 DEC 09, 64 bit AIPS on a machine 
>>> with following
>>> > > > >    specifications:
>>> > > > >    Linux rglinux9.cfa.harvard.edu 2.6.18-128.1.1.el5 #1 SMP 
>>> Mon Jan > > > >    26
>>> > > > >    13:58:24 EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>> > > > > > > > >    I have seen the same problem on 31 DEC 09, 32 bit 
>>> AIPS as well > > > >    on an
>>> > > > >    experiment with 512 channels and 8 IFs (BB242D).
>>> > > > > > > > >   I have made a FITS file of only the source I used 
>>> for FRING for > > > >   testing.
>>> > > > >    It's available by ftp from cfa-ftp.harvard.edu,
>>> > > > >    User = anonymous, password = <youremailaddress>.
>>> > > > >    The file is located at: incoming/lincoln/BK114A_2145.FITS
>>> > > > > > > > >   Please let me know what I can do to be able to run 
>>> FRING with > > > >   aparm(5)=2.
>>> > > >   Needless to say FRING should not do this - I note that it 
>>> only > > >   asked for 20 Megabytes of AP memory.  It is supposed to 
>>> ask for > > >   what it actually needs if you allow it to do so.  
>>> Have you run > > >   SETMAXAP with a small limit?  I would recommend 
>>> set your max AP to > > >   0.5 or 1 Gbyte on your 64-bit computer.
>>> > > > > > >   If that does not work, send me your inputs and we will 
>>> fetch the > > >   file and look at the problem.
>>> > > > > > >   Eric Greisen
>>> > > > > > > >  You have asked for an FFT on the frequency axis of 
>>> length 131072 or >  perhaps it is 524288 - I do not know the details 
>>> enough to be sure.
>>> >  AIPS now does FFTs up to 32768 and we have no plans to allow 
>>> larger in >  the near term.  I will repair the error message which 
>>> now is only about >  allowed size of FFTs (it used to mean what it 
>>> says) and repair the limit >  in FRING which is currently lower than 
>>> it has to be.  But that will not >  allow you to do what you are 
>>> trying to do.  There are aips memos which >  describe what you should 
>>> do to accomplish what you need to accomplish.
>>>  I tried to reproduce the 131072 number and come up short. I have an
>>>  experiment (BK114A, 256 channels, 8 IFs) with 500 MHz total 
>>> bandwidth with
>>> ~  60 kHz channels which would seem, at most, to have a frequency 
>>> axis of
>>>  length 16384. Even for 512 channels and 8 IFs, I get a frequency 
>>> axis of
>>>  length 32768, which is within AIPS capabilities. Could you point out 
>>> where
>>>  my calculations are different from yours.
>>>
>>> >  See the aips web page:
>>> >    http://www.aips.nrao.edu/
>>> >  and read AIPS Memo 110.
>>> > >  You will need to run FRING an IF at a time effectively and then 
>>> solve >  for multi-band delay with MBDLY.
>>>  Thanks for pointing me to the memo. It says that FRING with 
>>> aparm(5)=2 is
>>>  better than aparm(5)=0 + MBDLY when sources are weaker. We observe 
>>> at 22
>>>  GHz and our calibrators are relatively weaker, so we'd like the 
>>> option of
>>>  running with aparm(5)=2, if possible.
>>>
>>> >  Eric Greisen
>>> >
>>>  Thanks,
>>>  Ingyin
>>>
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>> Hi Ingyin,
>>
>> I am coming into this late so I apologize if don't understand 
>> something.  How weak are your calibrators?  If your calibrators are 
>> weak wouldn't it be better to average some channels?  Why do you need 
>> 512 channels anyway? The multiband delay is looking at the delay 
>> between the IFs, the singleband delay is not calculated.
>>
>> Amy
> Hi Amy,
> 
> I'm observing H20 masers at 22 GHz. I have so many channels (256 in the 
> current dataset) because the maser lines are only ~1 km/s wide. I did 
> average 8 channels using AVSPC but was getting ringing when I applied a 
> BP table. That problem seems to be resolved now so I can run FRING with 
> aparm(5)=2 on the averaged file (with 32 channels).
> 
> Thanks,
> Ingyin
> 




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