[Pafgbt] Purple Plague
Steven White
swhite at nrao.edu
Wed Apr 10 15:30:49 EDT 2013
Yes, we can make these measurements with a power meter. We also have other
options for down conversion and detection using the absorber and cold sky.
→ Steve →
→-----Original Message-----
→From: pafgbt-bounces at nrao.edu [mailto:pafgbt-bounces at nrao.edu] On
→Behalf Of Rick Fisher
→Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:25 PM
→To: pafgbt at nrao.edu
→Subject: Re: [Pafgbt] Purple Plague
→
→Thanks, Matt. That's good to know.
→
→Looks like the immediate task is to verify the noise and gain performance
of
→the amplifiers currently in the Dewar. Bob, Steve, is there an easy way
to do
→this without the PAF back-end and fiber link?
→
→Rick
→
→On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Matt Morgan wrote:
→
→> Hi Rick,
→>
→> No, the ones with packaged transistors shouldn't have this problem,
→> unless they are bonded incorrectly inside the package, which as David
→> said is highly unlikely considering it is a commercial part.
→>
→> So perhaps in this instance the Purple Plague was actually a Red
Herring.
→>
→> Unfortunately, then, It still begs the question to me why so many of
→> the amps appear to have failed at this time.
→>
→> Matt
→>
→>
→>
→> On 4/10/2013 2:21 PM, Rick Fisher wrote:
→>> Matt, I cannot recalled whether you said that Sandy's packaged
→>> amplifiers, like the ones in the PAF, are subject to purple plague.
→>>
→>> Rick
→>>
→>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Steven White wrote:
→>>
→>> > Figure 2 is the same as the amplifier designated as the spare.
→>> > When Mitch tested this amplifier, he encounter oscillations in
→>> > both and could only test one amplifier at a bias of 1.2 V. This
→>> > may explain the high noise temperature measured ~ 13-14K versus
→>> > Figure 3 & 4 measurements.
→>> > Yesterday,
→>> > the amplifier was tested in GB and did not oscillate, but the gain
→>> > was closer to 33 dB than 39 dB of S21 measurement of the document.
→>> > *IF* all the amplifiers in the dewar are the packaged design, the
→>> > situation may not be as dire as if the chip version was used. We
→>> > are planning to test the spare amplifier cold next week for noise
→>> > and S parameters.
→>> >
→>> > Also, a swap of IF paths at the output of the dewar is suggested
→>> > to verify the problem, a good channel with a low gain LNA
→>> > channel.
→>> >
→>> > Steve
→>> > ?
→>> > ?But we definitely need to take some steps to resolve this.
→>> > Mainly because it is ?urgent to let Toney Minter know if we can
→>> > meet the 2nd week of June ?schedule, or need to fall back. ?He
→>> > has been alerted to the fact that we have ?this issue.
→>> > ?
→>> > ?Anish said he was confident that the high noise temp channels
→>> > were "in the ?dewar" and not in the backend. But it would be
→>> > good to do something to ?prove that irrefutably. Steve, you
→>> > suggested a cable swap test. Or, is there ?any bias monitoring
→>> > on the amplifiers themselves?
→>> > ?
→>> > ?Beyond this further diagnostic, we should decide whether there is
→>> > any more ?software/hardware to test (it may be useful to resolve
→>> > the ?attenuation/sensitivity issue), while the receiver is in OTF
→>> > and cold, or ?whether to bring the receiver back to the lab.
→>> > ?
→>> >
→>> >
→>
→>
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