[fitsbits] DOI keyword usage for FITS? {External}

[Accomazzi, Alberto]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for clarifying. When I clicked and saw the SBN page hang I had
assumed that it was incorrectly listed in the DOI metadata, but it sounds
like all is good on that side and the problem is with the server at SBN.

-- Alberto


On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 12:28 PM Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman) <
rseaman at arizona.edu> wrote:

> Hi Alberto,
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> What is the preferred way to establish whether a DOI landing page is
> available? I typed it into https://dx.doi.org yesterday, and it took me
> to the right page:
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> https://sbn.psi.edu/pds/resource/doi/css_1.0.html
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> And I typed it in today, and it took me to the same place. Should I be
> doing something different? I’ve copied the earlier thread to folks at the
> SBN, but I’m not sure what is supposed to be broken (about DOI resolution).
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> I see that an explicit https://doi.org/10.26033/80fq-dn90, or indeed
> clicking the SBN link above is hanging just now, but the DOI resolution
> seemed to deliver the exact same link. Perhaps the webserver is ailing or
> something with DNS resolution?
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> Thanks,
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> Rob
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> On 8/4/23, 8:24 AM, "Accomazzi, Alberto" wrote:
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> There are unfortunate cases where DOI landing pages are no longer
> available, and this is clearly a disservice to the users, but that doesn't
> necessarily mean that all is lost.
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> In the case pointed out by Rob (doi:10.26033/80fq-dn90):
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> 1. We can still learn something about the dataset:
> https://commons.datacite.org/doi.org/10.26033/80fq-dn90
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> 2. We can still get to its metadata:
> https://api.datacite.org/application/vnd.datacite.datacite+json/10.26033/80fq-dn90
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> 3. We can still find a record of it in your favorite astronomy search
> interface: https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/doi:10.26033/80fq-dn90
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> The landing page does not work because it looks like somebody at PDS made
> a mistake in registering its url. The solution is to contact SBN to have
> this rectified (Rob are you doing this?).
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> The case of the AJ paper previously at UCP is similar, one can still find
> the record by entering its DOI in ads:
> https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/search/q=doi%3A%2210.1086%2F107156%22&sort=date%20desc%2C%20bibcode%20desc&p_=0
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> Infrastructure is not free, so somebody is always paying for it, and
> curation is never ending.
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> And the glass may still be half full.
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> -- Alberto
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> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:34 AM Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman) <
> rseaman at arizona.edu> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> ·      Many keywords point outside the FITS file either implicitly or
> explicitly, e.g., software versioning, filter curves, instrument
> definitions.
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> ·      I want to add the DOI pointing to the PDS archive containing the
> image.
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> At the moment, I’m thinking:
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> REFERENC= ‘doi:10.26033/80fq-dn90’
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> BIBCODE = ‘2022pdss.data....7S’
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> Or maybe DOI instead of REFERENC and omit “doi:”. I’ll ask my PDS
> colleagues what other projects have done in similar circumstances.
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> FITSBITS discussions tend to get very philosophical, including various
> folks suggesting we violate the standard in various ways. In a practical
> sense, I want data formats that will pass review and validation by PDS. My
> opinion on whether multiple REFERENC keywords are acceptable doesn’t matter
> if PDS will reject the file for failing FITS validation.
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> Rob
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> On 8/4/23, 12:53 AM, "Marjolein Verkouter" wrote:
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> - any "REFERENC" value in a FITS file that points outside the FITS file
> itself will be liable to #FAIL and almost by definition will violate the
> FITS self-describing, self-containing design paradigm
>
> - curious question from me: what is the point of putting a DOI in the FITS
> file? If the DOI describes the FITS file itself and you are able to read
> the REFERENC keyword I s'pect you have the actual digital object in hand
> already. The real question is: what does "the DOI" actually mean? It is
> totally up to the publisher to define what is meant by "a DOI", and hence,
> what do you expect to see on the webpage of that DOI once it resolves.
> Again this is not the responsibility of FITS but of the publisher of the
> DOI, and later the "owner" or "maintainer" in case the DOIs were
> transferred to a new owner/maintainer.
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> --
>
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