[evlatests] phase noise on outer antennas

[Bryan Butler]

Once you get beyond the outer scale (a few km) the tropospheric 
fluctuations have the same characteristics for all antennas - it 
wouldn't be restricted to just the 3 outer ones.  So I don't think 
that's the explanation.

	-Bryan


Paul Demorest via evlatests wrote on 10/28/24 16:24:
> Well, I would have expected troposphere fluctuations to have a "red" spectrum, not look like white noise on 10ms scales..  but people who do more high-freq observing than I do are welcome to comment if this isn't right!  The "slow" (>1s) fluctuations in the plots are likely atmospheric.
> 
> Also I don't think troposphere can explain why W32 looks persistently bad.. but there could be multiple things going on.
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Claire Chandler <cchandle at nrao.edu>
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 4:12 PM
> To: evlatests; Paul Demorest
> Subject: Re: phase noise on outer antennas
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Wouldn't delay fluctuations from the troposphere also look similar?
> 
> Claire
> 
> ________________________________
> From: evlatests <evlatests-bounces at listmgr.nrao.edu> on behalf of Paul Demorest via evlatests <evlatests at listmgr.nrao.edu>
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 4:06 PM
> To: evlatests <evlatests at nrao.edu>
> Subject: [evlatests] phase noise on outer antennas
> 
> hi all,
> 
> Now that we're in A-config, recent testing at high time resolution (10ms) has shown excess short-timescale phase noise affecting the outer three antennas (ea21 at E72, ea24 at W72 and ea18 at N72), as well as ea26 at W32.  A few plots are attached so you can see what I mean.  These were done via 10ms-dump-time observations of a bright source at K-band, and show two of the bad antennas (ea18, ea21) plus a good antenna (ea13) for comparison.  I also took data at X and Ka bands, a summary of these results is in the attached text file.  The worst ones have short-term phase RMS of ~20 deg at Ka, which is >10x larger than the good antennas.  This is enough to cause decorrelation (sensitivity loss) at the ~5-10% level and may be at least partially responsible for reduced high-freq performance seen on these antennas in recent stress tests.
> 
> This noise has the following properties which make me suspect something like LO phase jitter is the cause:
>    - It looks totally random vs time.
>    - All 4 IFs for a given antenna show exactly the same noise (see zoom-in plot for example).
>    - The amplitude of the noise scales in proportion to observing frequency, higher freqs are more affected.
> 
> It's also notable that all 3 outer antennas looked fine in B-config, and only started showing this noise once they moved to their A-config locations.  I found some 10ms X-band data from last A-config (Aug 2023) and it shows a similar pattern:  the outer pads and W32 are noisier than the rest, even though some different antennas were involved at the time.
> 
> Since this seems to be pad-related rather than antenna-related, my hand-wavy guess is maybe LO optical power is getting a bit too weak over the very long fibers?  And as for W32 maybe it just has some problem with its fiber connection causing a similar effect.  Even if that's not the right explanation, I do think this is worth understanding and (if possible) fixing.  Let me know if you have any questions/suggestions.
> 
> Cheers,
> Paul
> 
> ________________________________
> From: evlatests <evlatests-bounces at listmgr.nrao.edu> on behalf of Paul Demorest via evlatests <evlatests at listmgr.nrao.edu>
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 4:06 PM
> To: evlatests <evlatests at nrao.edu>
> Subject: [evlatests] phase noise on outer antennas
> 
> hi all,
> 
> Now that we're in A-config, recent testing at high time resolution (10ms) has shown excess short-timescale phase noise affecting the outer three antennas (ea21 at E72, ea24 at W72 and ea18 at N72), as well as ea26 at W32.  A few plots are attached so you can see what I mean.  These were done via 10ms-dump-time observations of a bright source at K-band, and show two of the bad antennas (ea18, ea21) plus a good antenna (ea13) for comparison.  I also took data at X and Ka bands, a summary of these results is in the attached text file.  The worst ones have short-term phase RMS of ~20 deg at Ka, which is >10x larger than the good antennas.  This is enough to cause decorrelation (sensitivity loss) at the ~5-10% level and may be at least partially responsible for reduced high-freq performance seen on these antennas in recent stress tests.
> 
> This noise has the following properties which make me suspect something like LO phase jitter is the cause:
>    - It looks totally random vs time.
>    - All 4 IFs for a given antenna show exactly the same noise (see zoom-in plot for example).
>    - The amplitude of the noise scales in proportion to observing frequency, higher freqs are more affected.
> 
> It's also notable that all 3 outer antennas looked fine in B-config, and only started showing this noise once they moved to their A-config locations.  I found some 10ms X-band data from last A-config (Aug 2023) and it shows a similar pattern:  the outer pads and W32 are noisier than the rest, even though some different antennas were involved at the time.
> 
> Since this seems to be pad-related rather than antenna-related, my hand-wavy guess is maybe LO optical power is getting a bit too weak over the very long fibers?  And as for W32 maybe it just has some problem with its fiber connection causing a similar effect.  Even if that's not the right explanation, I do think this is worth understanding and (if possible) fixing.  Let me know if you have any questions/suggestions.
> 
> Cheers,
> Paul
> 
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