[evlatests] Oddities at L-band (pointing, Tcal, Tsys, Psum, etc.)
Barry Clark
bclark at nrao.edu
Tue Aug 13 16:59:55 EDT 2013
There is no such thing as an A/C Psum. There is an A Psum and
a C Psum. I guess you are adding them together, which is OK
if they are both reasonable. But they might not be. In any event,
it looks like a cable/detector problem. In which case, the
same antennas should show up the same way at all bands.
Tcals may not care about a severe receiver rolloff, but the soida
rack certainly does. It gets confused and sputters nonsense.
On 08/13/2013 02:24 PM, Rick Perley wrote:
> Answers to Barry's questions:
>
> Barry Clark wrote:
>> On 08/13/2013 10:05 AM, Rick Perley wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>> 3) I used a central subband (#8 -- 1480 MHz, nice and stable) to
>>> look at the PSum values. They should all be reasonably close to each
>>> other if 'set and remember' is working right. I'm prepared to accept
>>> that 'reasonably close' means with 50% of some median value. But this
>>> is not the case. The median value for the subband appears to be about
>>> 10 counts. In LCP, all antennas are within 50% of this. But in RCP,
>>> there is a very different story: ea02R, ea07R and ea13R are all at 1
>>> count, or less! That's a factor of 10 too low!!!
>>>
>>
>> What do the Psums in the other subbands do? If there is a lot
>> of interference in some subband, you could have big numbers there
>> that make the average Psum sensible. If not, it could be that
>> the wire between the T304 detector and the sampler has a lot of
>> attenuation. Do both polarizations do this?
>>
>> [snip]
>>
> They all behave in the manner described above. A quantitative
> example for ea02 (almost exactly the same values are seen in ea07. ea13
> is discrepant only in the A/C side -- B/D looks o.k.).
>
> Subband# AC PSum BD PSum
> 1 .41
> .25 (band edge attenuation)
> 2 .65 12
> 3 1.1 8.2
> 4 .95 8.2
> 5 .82 8.5
> 6 .61 7.6
> 7 .58 5.9
> 8 .73 7.1
> 9 2.2 20
> (RFI Zone of Death!)
> 10 3 23
> 11 2.5 15.7
> 12 1.5 10.3
> 13 1.3 9.5
> 14 1.0 8.0
> 15 .83 5.9
> 16 .47 3.7
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> So, there is no evidence from these values, nor from the spectra,
> that there is any signal in the RCP side which would have caused the
> levels within the subbands to be as low as they are.
>
> This problem seems only to be in the RCP side. All LCP values are
> within 'norms' (+/- 50% of the median)
>
>
>>
>>
>>> 5) In perusing the Tcal tables, some curiosities are found:
>>>
>>> a) ea07 has a Tcal about 8K -- 5 times higher than any other
>>> antenna! Is this right?
>>>
>>
>> Right or not, that's what the Soida documents say.
>>
> Righto. I do note that the visibilities from this antenna (both
> polarizations) are about as expected, and the Tsys values, although
> higher than normal , are in line with the observed amplitudes. (In
> other words, the listed Soida documents are in keeping with the data.)
> This raises the question of why is this receiver so different than the
> others ...?
>>
>>> b) ea11, ea14 and ea17 all have incredibly high Tcal values listed
>>> for the first two subbands (values exceeding 55K for ea11!!!), but
>>> normal (1.5K) values for all other subbands. Can this be real? I
>>> didn't think the noise diodes could have output powers 30 times higher
>>> than the mean in the bottom 200 MHz of the band...
>>>
>>
>> This is due to the (ahem) feature that the Tcal stowed in the SDM
>> is the interpolation to the subband reference frequency (lower
>> edge) combined with the fact that the bandpasses of these receivers
>> appear to go really whacky below about 1150 MHz.
>>
> The Tcal values shouldn't know or care what the bandpass looks
> like. While it is true that these antennas do have a significant
> low-frequency rolloff in their spectra, there are others which decline
> similarly, but without the spectacular (and unphsysical) rise in Tcal in
> the lowest subbands.
> I'll be keen to see how the improved interpolation scheme works.
>
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