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Good to hear from you! Thanks - addition to the help file is certainly valuable. But in the help file (on-line version at www.aips.nrao.edu, as well as our antique) the "NORT" mask is given as</div>
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That would give a positive value for intensity increasing south to north, i.e. when the gradient vector points north; 'SOUT' is given as the other way up. Similarly the NE, SE, NW, and SW masks in the help file imply that N points up and S points down, whereas
the actual output is the other way round. So the code is definitely inconsistent with the help file masks (except for the EAST mask). The help file would be even clearer if "some direction" was replaced by "the specified direction". We had just assumed
that the names referred to the direction of the gradient vector picked out by the mask, and it looks like that was also assumed by whoever wrote the help file.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> Eric Greisen <egreisen@nrao.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 26, 2024 18:33<br>
<b>To:</b> aipsmail <aipsmail@nrao.edu>; Patrick Leahy <j.p.leahy@manchester.ac.uk><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Phoebe Ryder <phoebe.ryder@postgrad.manchester.ac.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [daip] Bug and gotcha feature in NINER (31DEC18) {External}</span>
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Actually, I think the code is correct except for the -2 typo with East to the left and North at the top. I added things to the help file (for 31DEC24 not your antique).</div>
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Built-in gradient masks. The first 8 "coordinate"</div>
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masks, assuming the image has North to the top and East</div>
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to the left, produce positive values when traversing</div>
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from the coordinate (e.g. North to South) when the image</div>
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values are increasing. If the image is not in the</div>
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usual configuration, the "coordinate" names are</div>
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misleading. The matrices are applied as stated.</div>
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NORT, NE, EAST, SE SOUT, SW, WEST, NW:</div>
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these are special cases of NINE. The kernels are</div>
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arranged so that they are directional derivative</div>
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filters. The output picture resembles a landscape</div>
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viewed from above with illumination at a glancing</div>
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angle from some direction. Note that the coordinate</div>
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labels assume that the image is oriented with the</div>
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North at the top and East at the left. With the</div>
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illumination from the north, for example, the north</div>
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side of a peak will be bright (positive) and the</div>
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south side will be dark (negative).</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 26, 2024 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> aipsmail <aipsmail@nrao.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Phoebe Ryder <phoebe.ryder@postgrad.manchester.ac.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [daip] Bug and gotcha feature in NINER (31DEC18) {External}</span>
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Hello AIPS - hope that's still Eric:</div>
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This is about NINER version 31DEC18 (the only version we have installed at Jodrell Bank). I checked CHANGES.DOC to see if this has been fixed in more recent version, but I don't think so: NINER is only mentioned on item
<code>15763. April 19, 2022, which doesn't look as if it relates to what we see.</code></div>
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BUG: OPCODE = 'NORT' gives a positive answer if the intensity is increasing from north to south, while OPCODE='SOUT' gives a positive answer if intensity is increasing south to north - these are the wrong way round and not what would be produced by the 3x3
grids shown in the HELP. I'm guessing that the masks are swapped although I haven't looked into the code.</div>
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FEATURE: OPCODE 'EAST' and 'WEST' give the results expected from the masks in HELP (although I think there is a typo in the WEST mask which has a -2 in the RH row where I would expect a -1).</div>
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However, these are defined as on a map looking down, not up, i.e. they imply that East is on the right. The NE, SE, SW, NW masks are consistent with this. Rather than changing the code I'd suggest that this was just highlighted in the task description, i.e.
add "NB: NINER's compass points are defined with East on the right, i.e. the geographical, not astronomical convention."</div>
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A simple test to show this (which we have done) is to run NINER on a PATGN image containing a large Gaussian.</div>
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