[daip] passband cal
Eric Greisen
egreisen at nrao.edu
Fri Jan 11 15:45:09 EST 2008
Harvey Liszt writes:
>
> I've been reducing another of my absorption line runs, this one at 21.3
> GHz ( but I don't think that's terribly important). This is the first
> time I've not found fairly strong lines and so have looked more
> carefully at the noise.
>
> After I had looked at the 4 or 5 resultant spectra (output from UVLSD
> and vector average in POSSM) a few times, I realized that they all
> looked pretty much the same, had many of the same spectral features
> about the same rms in line/continuum ratio, despite the varying
> continuum strengths and identical integration time. So this is what you
> expect when you use the same bandpass cal on all, just one scan on the
> bandpass cal at the start of the run, and the noise is dominated by that
> in the passband cal. To test this idea, I turned on a boxcar smooth
> during BPASS. As I expected, the noise level in the final source
> spectra all went down by the right amount (sqrt 3) but they continued to
> resemble each other, so the noise was still (presumably) dominated by
> that in the bandpass.
>
> At this point, I created a set of line/continuum spectra without
> applying any bandpass cal . I find that if I divide these spectra of the
> sources by that of the bandpass calibrator, I get a nice flat spectrum
> but with ~3 x lower noise level than originally (as described in the
> prior paragraph) and the spectra look much more independent of each
> other, as if the noise introduced by passband cal has receded not quite,
> but much more nearly, into insignificance.
>
> Do you have any insight into why this should be the case? Was I just
> doing something wrong in the original reduction that caused the noise of
> the bandpass?
>
Not really - if I had a better idea it might already be in AIPS. It
is clear that to avoid a contribution from the BP calibration one has
to integrate a long time on the BP calibration - most people do way
too little, making the BP noise be a serious contribution. It will be
coherent between sources. Firthermore, the BP function for the VLA
almost certainly varies with time. So a single cal scan misses that
entirely.
I wrote UVLSD where I thought of the D as "desperate" (looking for HI
absorption from Magellanic Stream). Looking at the average over all
baselines of a UVLSD output, only then scaled by a similar average
over all baselines of the BP cal should have less noise in that the BP
is over all baselines rather than a baseline at a time. BPASS depends
on there being a closure relationship in amplitude and phase between
the antennas - this seems to break down in the outer parts of the
spectrum (not just a couple of channels but rather more). This may
cause specific problems in the BP solutions which would appear later.
I don't think any of the raving above has answered your question. If
you have any thought about how the current algorithms might be
enhanced - please let me know - or tell me if you come up with a
clearer reason for your finding.
Thanks,
Eric
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