From awootten at nrao.edu Thu Dec 1 15:55:35 2005 From: awootten at nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:55:35 -0500 Subject: [asac] Date of next telecon: 14 Dec Message-ID: <17295.25415.3156.507291@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Folks The Board will have telecons on 8 and 22 Dec. At the first of these they will discuss the Charges and proposal for the ASAC face to face meeting. There may be a response to the ASAC Report at the Board telecon. In order to react in a timely manner, it seemed prudent to change the date of the ASAC telecon from 7 Dec to 14 Dec. Please see the agenda link at: https://wikio.nrao.edu/bin/view/ALMA/AlmaSac Minutes from the November meeting will be posted soon. Clear skies, Al Al Wootten Interim Project Scientist ALMA, 40 El Golf, Piso 18 Las Condes, Santiago, Chile Tel: (56) (2) 467-6128 FAX: (56) (2) 467-6103 From awb at astro.caltech.edu Wed Dec 7 17:33:06 2005 From: awb at astro.caltech.edu (Andrew Blain) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:33:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [asac] Jan 28-29 proposed meeting date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Keck schedule is now out, and I'm in Hawaii 29/30th Jan. I can probably call in for much of the meeting. A On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Christine Wilson wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > So far, January 28-29, 2006 (Saturday-Sunday) is the only date for which > everyone is available. If you are unavailable on that date, please let me > know as soon as possible and fill in your availability on the web form (or > send it to me by email). > > I would like to finalize our meeting date by November 28. > > Thanks, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Asac mailing list > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > From wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca Thu Dec 8 13:05:15 2005 From: wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca (Christine Wilson) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:05:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] meeting date approved Message-ID: Hi, everyone, In their telecon this morning, the Board approved the dates of our next face-to-face meeting as proposed (28-29 January, 2006 in Los Angeles). So you may go ahead and make your travel plans. The charges are still not approved in final form, but should be approved by the middle of next week. I do not believe there will be any changes to Charges 1 and 2 from the draft version. For Charge 3, there was some discussion and I believe it will be modified slightly to ask us to "Review the EXISTING Science IPT analysis ..." i.e. we will review what is already available on this topic rather than any new simulations (yet) from the Science IPT. Chris From awootten at nrao.edu Sun Dec 11 21:32:20 2005 From: awootten at nrao.edu (Alwyn Wootten) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:32:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] Telecon Weds 14 Dec. Message-ID: <62283.200.113.31.128.1134354740.squirrel@webmail.gb.nrao.edu> Contact Information * 2005-Dec-14 21:00 UT * Duration: 1 hr * USA Toll Free Number: 877-874-1919 * Toll Number: +1-203-320-9891 * Passcode: 185064 * Leader: Al Wootten Please see detailed agenda linked at: https://wikio.nrao.edu/bin/view/ALMA/AlmaSac Cielos despejados, Al From wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca Mon Dec 12 13:45:27 2005 From: wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca (Christine Wilson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:45:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] draft memo on combined array Message-ID: Hi, everyone, Kawabe-san asked me to circulate the draft memo on the combined array. Chris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: combined_array.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 550786 bytes Desc: URL: From wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca Mon Dec 12 15:17:45 2005 From: wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca (Christine Wilson) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:17:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] proposed changes to Charge 3 Message-ID: Hi, everyone, The Board is considering a revised version of Charge 3. The new version reads: Review the existing analysis fo the polarization and mosaicing performance of the hybrid ALMA array and consider the priority and timescale for further analysis by the Science IPT Board members have until Dec 14 to suggest additional changes. Chris From wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca Tue Dec 13 14:11:00 2005 From: wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca (Christine Wilson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:11:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] draft list of documents for ASAC software charge Message-ID: Hi, everyone, Here is a draft list of documents related to the ASAC charge 1 on science software for ALMA. Each subsystem includes information on how to find the design document and the development plan. Please note that these are very detailed and I don't expect everyone to read all of them. But they are provided for your information in case you want to delve deeper into the requirements of a particular subsystem. You should also be aware that software requirements related specifically to the ACA are generally not included yet in these documents. Those ACA software documents are in the other (long) list of documents provided for Charge 2. Enjoy! Chris ----------------------------------- Documents related to ASAC Charge 1 ----------------------------------- General Requirements: - ALMA Science Software Requirements Document: http://tinyurl.com/3cwe5 (or see my November 16 email for members without ALMA EDM access) - Offline requirements document is available at http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~dshepher/asac/offline.rqmts.ALMA-70.10.00.00-006-A-SPE.pdf.gz Offline: - I will forward separately an email from Debra Shepherd from July 12, 2005 with a useful summary and links Observing Preparation: - note we should be able to have an actual demo of the Observing Tool at the ASAC (in expert mode only) - design review documents are available at http://almasw.hq.eso.org/almasw/bin/view/OBSPREP/DesignReviews (the Design Document and Development Plan are the most relevant) Pipeline: - second user test report http://almasw.hq.eso.org/almasw/bin/view/PIPELINE/SecondPipelineUserTest - description of third user test http://almasw.hq.eso.org/almasw/bin/view/PIPELINE/UserTest3 - design review documents are available at http://almasw.hq.eso.org/almasw/bin/view/PIPELINE/PipelineDocuments (the Design and Plan documents are the most relevant) Archive: - design review documents are available at http://almasw.hq.eso.org/almasw/bin/view/Archive/DesignReviews (the two files Archive design document and Archive Plan 3.0 are the most relevant) From wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca Tue Dec 13 14:14:38 2005 From: wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca (Christine Wilson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:14:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] July email on offline status Message-ID: Hi, everyone, Here is some more information on the offline system relevant to our software charge for January. The following email was circulated by Debra Shephard on July 12, 2005. It is an update on the testing status of the offline system. It contains a link to a summary of the three user tests, which in turn contains links to the actual summary and reports from the three user tests. Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------ Many of you have expressed an interest over the past few years about the status of the Astronomical Information and Processing System (AIPS++) software development for the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA) project. I promised at various meetings and in many individual conversations to send out an update about how our software testing is going - so here it is. As you know, ALMA has conducted external user tests every 6 months for the past 1.5 years to ensure that the software development is adequate for ALMA needs. To date, 3 test cycles have been successfully completed. The focus has been: 1) single field interferometry; 2) mosaic interferometry; and 3) combining single dish and synthesis data. Recently I wrote up a brief summary of our testing status and put this on the ALMA Computing IPT Usertests web page. Please note, the software is NOT ready for the general user yet - and this is not an invitation to download the software and start playing with it because it is continually being modified during this very active development period. When we are ready for a wider user base I will send out another update. Please let me know if you do not wish to be included in future e-mail test announcments. If you would like to review the summary and obtain links to the detailed test reports and testing web sites, please see http://almasw.hq.eso.org/almasw/pub/Usertests/WebHome/test.summary.jul05.pdf If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me. Sincerely, Debra Shepherd ALMA Offline Subsystem Scientist NRAO, ALMA Computing IPT dshepher at nrao.edu From wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca Thu Dec 15 13:50:41 2005 From: wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca (Christine Wilson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:50:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] ASAC Charge - January 2006 (fwd) Message-ID: Our charge for the January meeting is approved; see below. Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:43:09 -0500 From: Patrick Donahoe To: Christine Wilson Cc: Al Wootten , Tom Wilson , Massimo Tarenghi , Richard Wade , Robert Dickman , Ian Corbett , Adrian Russell , Hans Rykaczewski , Masato Ishiguro , Ryohei Kawabe Subject: ASAC Charge - January 2006 Christine, On behalf of the Board, I have enclosed the approved charge for the January 2006 ASAC Meeting. (It is unchanged from the revised version circulated to the Board earlier this week). One Board action item related to the ASAC meeting is that Tom Wilson will look into the addtional effort that would be required to analyze polarization and mosaicing of the hybrid ALMA array. He is to report this to the ASAC in connection with item 3 of the approved charge. Best Regards, ALMA Board Secretary, Patrick W. Donahoe 1400 16th Street NW Suite 730 Washington, DC 20036 Phone: 202-462-1676 Fax: 202-232-7161 donahoe at aui.edu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Documents for ASAC Charge 2: ACA -------------------------------- First Priority: -------------- (1) draft memo on the combined array (2) powerpoint presentations from ACA system PDR (3) Science Specifications and Requirements (3 documents) (4) AIV and CSV plans for ACA (2 documents) (5) Calibration Plan Second Priority: --------------- (6) two memos on imaging simulations and phase cal simulations (7) 5 documents of Reference Paper for the ACA System PDR AbsoluteFlux.pdf - absolute flux calibrators for ALMA ALMA_memo531.pdf - using nutators in ACA TP OTF observation baseline_report_takakuwa.pdf - simulating ACA location calibration Beam_nutator_20050826.pdf - simulated beam patterns with nutation fastsw_report_takakuwa.pdf - fast switching with combined array (8) ACA Operation Concept Third priority -------------- (9) reference memo on array configuration design (10) 4 documents from ACA System and Subsystem Technical Specifications 2005-09-27 ALMA-62.00.00.00-001-A-SPE.pdf - ACA correlator technical specs&reqs 2005-10-19 ALMA-80.04.04.00-001-A-SPE.pdf - ACA system tech reqs 2005-10-20 ALMA-40.00.00.00-065-A-SPE.pdf - ACA FE subsystem TP array technical specs&reqs 2005-10-20 ALMA-44.00.00.00-001-A-SPE.pdf - ACA 7m FE subsystem technical specs&reqs (11) 2005-10-26_ALMA-80.04.04.00-002-A-DSN.pdf - ACA system design description (12) ACAperformance.pdf - performance budget for ACA From wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca Fri Dec 16 19:00:42 2005 From: wilson at physics.mcmaster.ca (Christine Wilson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:00:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] documents available for Charge 1 (software) Message-ID: Hi, everyone, I have made a g'ziped tar file (10 Mbytes) of documents relevant to our software charge. You can retrieve it from The documents are organized into subdirectories by subsystem, with an extra subdirectory called General which holds the three requirements documents (SSR, Offline, ACA). The ObsPrep and Archive subdirectories just hold the design and development plan documents; the Pipeline has these two documents plus two user test reports. The Offline directory has three user test reports and Debra Shepherd's summary; it does not have the design and development plan documents as these are very very long. Happy reading! Chris P.S. If you really want to look at the design and development plan for the offline subsystem, the documents are available at http://almasw.hq.eso.org/almasw/bin/view/OFFLINE/DesignReviews From awootten at nrao.edu Wed Dec 21 10:42:01 2005 From: awootten at nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:42:01 -0500 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review Message-ID: <17321.30665.170683.137836@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Folks The international delta ALMA Cost Review for the cost of a project in which there are two antenna vendors will be held 26/27 January in Washington. The North American Delta Cost Review (NADCR) will follow 30 Jan thru 1 Feb, but be largely separate from, the ALMA Delta Cost Review (ADCR). The ADCR will report to the ALMA Board and will heavily utilize the personnel of the original cost review panel. The NACR will report to NSF, and will consist of an essentially separate group of reviewers. The viability of the project depends upon the success of these reviews. I think that the ASAC meeting should be moved, optimally in time. I changed my dates for the matrix at: https://wikio.nrao.edu/bin/preview/ALMA/FtofDate Should we re-examine this? The Board has a telecon tomorrow at which they might alter their approval of a date/city. All seasonal merriness, Al From jsr at mrao.cam.ac.uk Wed Dec 21 11:35:48 2005 From: jsr at mrao.cam.ac.uk (John Richer) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:35:48 +0000 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review Message-ID: Dear Al and ASAC members, The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our meeting for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work for the reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: 1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I think on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we could aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be on imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help out? In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. 2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then fall between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. 3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates for those who have filled in their availability. Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very difficult to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's impossible, we will have to go with option 1. So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their time constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you have bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be available the weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still the case? Best wishes to all, John -- John Richer Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0HE http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: +44-1223-354599 From cerni at damir.iem.csic.es Wed Dec 21 11:41:17 2005 From: cerni at damir.iem.csic.es (cerni) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:41:17 +0100 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review References: Message-ID: <001401c6064d$5d581560$20186fa1@astroportpepe> Dear John The window 3/4/5 Feb is impossible to me. 28/29 Jan in LA or Washington is OK. Best regards Pepe |--------------------------------------------| | Prof. Jose Cernicharo | | Dpt. Astrofisica Molecular e Infrarroja | | (DAMIR) | | Instituto de Estructura de la Materia | | CSIC | | C/Serrano 121. 28006 Madrid | | | | Tel:34-915901611 & 34-626202121 | | Fax:34-915645557 | | | | e-mail : cerni at damir.iem.csic.es | |--------------------------------------------| ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Richer" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review > > Dear Al and ASAC members, > > The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our meeting > for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work for the > reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: > > 1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. > > Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I think > on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we could > aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian > Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese > presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be on > imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help > out? > > In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its > impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. > > 2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: > > Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then fall > between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. > > 3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). > > Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates for > those who have filled in their availability. > > Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very difficult > to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's > impossible, we will have to go with option 1. > > So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their time > constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you have > bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. > > Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be available the > weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still the > case? > > Best wishes to all, > > John > > -- > John Richer > Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0HE > http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: +44-1223-354599 > _______________________________________________ > Asac mailing list > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac From lgm at astro.umd.edu Wed Dec 21 11:54:58 2005 From: lgm at astro.umd.edu (Lee G. Mundy) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:54:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John, Moving to Washington DC is possible for me. I could scramble to help with the local organizing. Feb 3-4-5 are available for me. I have not yet bought a ticket for LA. I think that it is bad practice to hold the meeting without JAO and strong project participation. cheers, Lee From awootten at nrao.edu Wed Dec 21 12:57:13 2005 From: awootten at nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:57:13 -0500 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17321.38777.387978.723076@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Hi John Let me note that it was not the Board driving the cost review but NSF. I think a meeting in DC would be feasible. I think a meeting the following weekend would be more useful. I am available then; I have edited my dates (must have done it while you were looking). I don't know about Massimo or Tony but I'll try to find out. Clear skies, Al John Richer writes: > > Dear Al and ASAC members, > > The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our meeting > for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work for the > reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: > > 1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. > > Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I think > on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we could > aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian > Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese > presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be on > imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help > out? > > In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its > impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. > > 2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: > > Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then fall > between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. > > 3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). > > Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates for > those who have filled in their availability. > > Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very difficult > to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's > impossible, we will have to go with option 1. > > So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their time > constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you have > bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. > > Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be available the > weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still the > case? > > Best wishes to all, > > John > > -- > John Richer > Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0HE > http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: +44-1223-354599 > _______________________________________________ > Asac mailing list > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac From turner at astro.UCLA.EDU Wed Dec 21 13:21:54 2005 From: turner at astro.UCLA.EDU (Jean L. Turner) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:21:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review In-Reply-To: <17321.38777.387978.723076@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> References: <17321.38777.387978.723076@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Message-ID: <51432.128.97.69.238.1135189314.squirrel@webmail.astro.ucla.edu> Dear ASAC: Fortunately I have not made arrangements for the meeting yet, although I have one proposal so far. I will wait to hear on dates before doing more. I'm flexible as to dates. Jean -- Jean L. Turner, Professor Division of Astronomy & Astrophysics, UCLA Box 951547 Los Angeles CA 90095-1547 phone and fax: 1-310-825-4305 http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~chicag/intro.html > Hi John > > Let me note that it was not the Board driving the cost review but NSF. > > I think a meeting in DC would be feasible. I think a meeting the > following > weekend would be more useful. I am available then; I have edited my > dates (must have done it while you were looking). I don't know about > Massimo or Tony but I'll try to find out. > > Clear skies, > Al > > John Richer writes: > > > > Dear Al and ASAC members, > > > > The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our > meeting > > for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work > for the > > reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: > > > > 1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. > > > > Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I > think > > on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we > could > > aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian > > Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese > > presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be > on > > imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help > > out? > > > > In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its > > impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. > > > > 2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: > > > > Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then > fall > > between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. > > > > 3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). > > > > Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates > for > > those who have filled in their availability. > > > > Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very > difficult > > to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's > > impossible, we will have to go with option 1. > > > > So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their > time > > constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you > have > > bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. > > > > Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be > available the > > weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still > the > > case? > > > > Best wishes to all, > > > > John > > > > -- > > John Richer > > Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge > CB3 0HE > > http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: > +44-1223-354599 > > _______________________________________________ > > Asac mailing list > > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > _______________________________________________ > Asac mailing list > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > From lt at arcetri.astro.it Wed Dec 21 15:42:23 2005 From: lt at arcetri.astro.it (Leonardo Testi) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:42:23 +0100 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A9BE2F.6050101@arcetri.astro.it> Hi John, I think we cannot have the meeting without key project people, it will not be very useful, so I think we should drop option 1. I am still flexible, especially if we move the meeting forward (all options you propose are ok), but I need to finalize soon. I think we need to find a way to contact Chris to figure out when she will be available. Leonardo John Richer wrote: > Dear Al and ASAC members, > > The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our meeting > for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work for the > reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: > > 1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. > > Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I think > on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we could > aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian > Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese > presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be on > imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help > out? > > In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its > impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. > > 2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: > > Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then fall > between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. > > 3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). > > Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates for > those who have filled in their availability. > > Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very difficult > to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's > impossible, we will have to go with option 1. > > So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their time > constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you have > bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. > > Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be available the > weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still the > case? > > Best wishes to all, > > John > From kawabe at nro.nao.ac.jp Wed Dec 21 21:34:34 2005 From: kawabe at nro.nao.ac.jp (Ryohei Kawabe) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:34:34 +0900 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review References: <17321.38777.387978.723076@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> <51432.128.97.69.238.1135189314.squirrel@webmail.astro.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <015901c606a0$3ee16250$94dc2885@KawabeVaio03> Dear ASAC members, The ASAC meeting in Washington on 28/29 Jan. will be fine with us (Baltasar, myself & postdocs). Next weekend is also available. But the option is not good for me because I will attend the delta cost review as one of observers form ALMA-J and should have two travels to US in two weeks. Regards, Ryohei > Hi John > > > > Let me note that it was not the Board driving the cost review but NSF. > > > > I think a meeting in DC would be feasible. I think a meeting the > > following > > weekend would be more useful. I am available then; I have edited my > > dates (must have done it while you were looking). I don't know about > > Massimo or Tony but I'll try to find out. > > > > Clear skies, > > Al > > > > John Richer writes: > > > > > > Dear Al and ASAC members, > > > > > > The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our > > meeting > > > for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work > > for the > > > reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: > > > > > > 1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. > > > > > > Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I > > think > > > on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we > > could > > > aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian > > > Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese > > > presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be > > on > > > imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help > > > out? > > > > > > In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its > > > impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. > > > > > > 2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: > > > > > > Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then > > fall > > > between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. > > > > > > 3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). > > > > > > Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates > > for > > > those who have filled in their availability. > > > > > > Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very > > difficult > > > to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's > > > impossible, we will have to go with option 1. > > > > > > So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their > > time > > > constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you > > have > > > bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. > > > > > > Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be > > available the > > > weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still > > the > > > case? > > > > > > Best wishes to all, > > > > > > John > > > > > > -- > > > John Richer > > > Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge > > CB3 0HE > > > http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: > > +44-1223-354599 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Asac mailing list > > > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > > > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > > _______________________________________________ > > Asac mailing list > > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asac mailing list > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > > From schilke at mpifr-bonn.mpg.de Thu Dec 22 03:39:06 2005 From: schilke at mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Peter Schilke) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:39:06 +0100 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review In-Reply-To: <17321.30665.170683.137836@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> References: <17321.30665.170683.137836@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Message-ID: <43AA662A.1060507@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> Hi Al, I think the best option is to shift it by a week, and leave it in LA. If we met in Washington, we would not have any input from the NACDR, and also the ADCR will not have been digested. I'll be available in the first week of February. Peter -- Dr. Peter Schilke Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie Auf dem H"ugel 69 D-53121 Bonn Germany Tel. 49-228-525-392 mobile: 49-160-7014309 FAX 49-228-525-435 mailto:schilke at mpifr-bonn.mpg.de From susanne at oso.chalmers.se Thu Dec 22 04:56:58 2005 From: susanne at oso.chalmers.se (Susanne Aalto) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:56:58 +0100 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43AA786A.8040404@oso.chalmers.se> Hi John, I have not yet bought a ticket and shifting dates to 3/4 or 4/5 of Feb week is ok with me, but I need to know fairly soon. Best regards, Susanne John Richer wrote: >Dear Al and ASAC members, > >The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our meeting >for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work for the >reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: > >1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. > > Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I think > on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we could > aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian > Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese > presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be on > imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help > out? > > In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its > impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. > >2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: > > Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then fall > between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. > >3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). > > Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates for > those who have filled in their availability. > >Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very difficult >to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's >impossible, we will have to go with option 1. > >So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their time >constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you have >bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. > >Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be available the >weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still the >case? > >Best wishes to all, > >John > > > From yamada at optik.mtk.nao.ac.jp Thu Dec 22 05:01:50 2005 From: yamada at optik.mtk.nao.ac.jp (Toru Yamada) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:01:50 +0900 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review References: Message-ID: <007001c606de$ba57cb20$ea852885@agulv2> DearAl, and ASAC members Jan 28-29 in DC is fine for me. But Feb 2-4 is difficult. Regards, Toru ********************************* Toru Yamada, Ph.D. National Astronomical Observatory of Japan yamada at optik.mtk.nao.ac.jp TEL: +81-422-34-3537 FAX: +81-422-34-3545 ********************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Richer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review > > Dear Al and ASAC members, > > The Board works in mysterious ways. Having just approved our meeting > for 28/29 January in LA, it looks like this really will not work for the > reasons Al gives. Possible options seem to be: > > 1) Have our meeting anyway in LA on the 28/29th. > > Is this feasible? We would sorely miss any JAO/Project input. I think > on the software charge we should be reasonably OK, perhaps we could > aks Robert Lucas or someone else to deputise for Brian > Glendenning. On the ACA charge, I would hope the Japanese > presentations could be made anyway. The hardest charge would be on > imaging as this probably needs Al, unless Mark H could help > out? > > In summary, this is not to be ruled out, but the report and its > impact would be much weaker without JAO and IPT input. > > 2) Meet in Washington on 28/29 Jan: > > Al - is this feasible for the Project people? It would then fall > between the Delta Cost review and the NA review. > > 3) Rearrange the date, still aiming for LA (?). > > Looking at the matrix, 3/4 or 4/5 Feb look like the best dates for > those who have filled in their availability. > > Given how close we are to Christmas, this is going to be very difficult > to organise. However, I think we should at least try. If it's > impossible, we will have to go with option 1. > > So, could everyone please mail in their preferred option, their time > constraints for the next week (3/4/5 Feb), and let me know if you have > bought a plane ticket which would be hard to change. > > Al: could you give an indication if any JAO staff would be available the > weekend of 3/4/5 Feb? I note you are not available - is this still the > case? > > Best wishes to all, > > John > > -- > John Richer > Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0HE > http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: +44-1223-354599 > _______________________________________________ > Asac mailing list > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > From awootten at nrao.edu Thu Dec 22 15:24:31 2005 From: awootten at nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:24:31 -0500 Subject: [asac] January meeting Message-ID: <17323.2943.716933.328383@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Folks, At its telecon today, the ALMA Board said that the ASAC meeting could take place anytime between 28 Jan and 5 Feb in either DC, CV or LA, as best fit the plans of its members and of the JAO. Personally, it seems to me that the same 28/29 Jan weekend in DC is favored by responses I have seen so far. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Al Al Wootten Interim Project Scientist ALMA, 40 El Golf, Piso 18 Las Condes, Santiago, Chile Tel: (56) (2) 467-6128 FAX: (56) (2) 467-6103 From jsr at mrao.cam.ac.uk Thu Dec 22 16:26:45 2005 From: jsr at mrao.cam.ac.uk (John Richer) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:26:45 +0000 Subject: [asac] January meeting In-Reply-To: <17323.2943.716933.328383@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> (message from Al Wootten on Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:24:31 -0500) References: <17323.2943.716933.328383@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Message-ID: Dear Al and ASAC, >From the responses so far, and the availability page on the wiki, it appears that we will either meet in LA on Feb 4 and 5, or in Washington on the 28/29 Jan. My own intepretation differs from Al, in that I believe Feb 4/5 in LA looks slightly preferred at this stage, though we have yet to contact project personnel/JAO people to see if they could attend. Al: could you please find out which dates/locations ALMA personnel would be prepared to attend? Yourself, Tom Wilson, Darrel, Robert Laing, Massimo, Tony, Brian G are the obvious key people for this get together. Therw are probably others I have missed. It would in my view be preferable to decouple the two meetings, hence my preference for Feb 4/5 in LA. However, our Chair, Chris Wilson, is enjoying a much deserved vacation; and we really need to know what she prefers before we make a decision. This will probably have to wait until after Christmas now. Yours in confusion, John -- John Richer Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0HE http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: +44-1223-354599 From awootten at nrao.edu Fri Dec 23 09:41:00 2005 From: awootten at nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:41:00 -0500 Subject: [asac] January meeting In-Reply-To: References: <17323.2943.716933.328383@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Message-ID: <17324.3196.791261.443444@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Hi John Massimo is available for either choice. Tony is currently unavailable (and will be for some time). Brian, Darrel and I will be at both reviews; DC on the intervening weekend would seem easiest. Tom, Ryohei Brian and Iwill be in DC for the delta cost review; DC at the end of Jan would seem preferable (as Ryohei has confirmed, as do I). However, I know Darrel and Tom are on holiday and I have not talked to Robert in a while; these are just logical surmises. They receive this email and will respond in due course. Merry Christmas, and a less confused New Year, Al John Richer writes: > > Dear Al and ASAC, > > >From the responses so far, and the availability page on the wiki, it > appears that we will either meet in LA on Feb 4 and 5, or in Washington > on the 28/29 Jan. > > My own intepretation differs from Al, in that I believe Feb 4/5 in LA > looks slightly preferred at this stage, though we have yet to contact > project personnel/JAO people to see if they could attend. > > Al: could you please find out which dates/locations ALMA personnel would > be prepared to attend? Yourself, Tom Wilson, Darrel, Robert Laing, > Massimo, Tony, Brian G are the obvious key people for this get together. > Therw are probably others I have missed. > > It would in my view be preferable to decouple the two meetings, hence my > preference for Feb 4/5 in LA. > > However, our Chair, Chris Wilson, is enjoying a much deserved vacation; > and we really need to know what she prefers before we make a decision. > This will probably have to wait until after Christmas now. > > Yours in confusion, > > John > > -- > John Richer > Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0HE > http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: +44-1223-354599 From awb at astro.caltech.edu Wed Dec 28 06:47:37 2005 From: awb at astro.caltech.edu (Andrew Blain) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:47:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [asac] January meeting In-Reply-To: <17324.3196.791261.443444@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> References: <17323.2943.716933.328383@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> <17324.3196.791261.443444@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Message-ID: Apologies for my late reply to the flurry of rescheduling emails. I still have a conflict for the 28/29 Jan, but should be free the weekend after. Andrew On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Al Wootten wrote: > Hi John > > Massimo is available for either choice. Tony is currently unavailable > (and will be for some time). Brian, Darrel and I will be at both reviews; > DC on the intervening weekend would seem easiest. Tom, Ryohei Brian and Iwill > be in DC for the delta cost review; DC at the end of Jan would seem > preferable (as Ryohei has confirmed, as do I). However, I know Darrel and > Tom are on holiday and I have not talked to Robert in a while; these > are just logical surmises. They receive this email and will respond in > due course. > > Merry Christmas, and a less confused New Year, > Al > John Richer writes: > > > > Dear Al and ASAC, > > > > >From the responses so far, and the availability page on the wiki, it > > appears that we will either meet in LA on Feb 4 and 5, or in Washington > > on the 28/29 Jan. > > > > My own intepretation differs from Al, in that I believe Feb 4/5 in LA > > looks slightly preferred at this stage, though we have yet to contact > > project personnel/JAO people to see if they could attend. > > > > Al: could you please find out which dates/locations ALMA personnel would > > be prepared to attend? Yourself, Tom Wilson, Darrel, Robert Laing, > > Massimo, Tony, Brian G are the obvious key people for this get together. > > Therw are probably others I have missed. > > > > It would in my view be preferable to decouple the two meetings, hence my > > preference for Feb 4/5 in LA. > > > > However, our Chair, Chris Wilson, is enjoying a much deserved vacation; > > and we really need to know what she prefers before we make a decision. > > This will probably have to wait until after Christmas now. > > > > Yours in confusion, > > > > John > > > > -- > > John Richer > > Astrophysics, Cavendish Laboratory, J J Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0HE > > http://www.mrao.cam.ac.uk/~jsr Tel: +44-1223-337246 Fax: +44-1223-354599 > _______________________________________________ > Asac mailing list > Asac at listmgr.cv.nrao.edu > http://listmgr.cv.nrao.edu/mailman/listinfo/asac > From awootten at nrao.edu Wed Dec 28 10:02:31 2005 From: awootten at nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:02:31 -0500 Subject: [asac] delta ALMA Cost Review In-Reply-To: <49313.209.155.89.98.1135265743.squirrel@webmail.gb.nrao.edu> References: <17321.30665.170683.137836@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> <49313.209.155.89.98.1135265743.squirrel@webmail.gb.nrao.edu> Message-ID: <17330.43271.564160.231741@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Folks, A communication from the ALMA Board Secretary to JAO, Board Principals on Friday: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Per yesterday's Board telecon, I've sent Christine Wilson an email indicating that because of the 2 DC-based delta cost reviews now "sandwich" the Los Angeles January ASAC meeting, she could exercise some flexibility as to the location of the meeting, and if useful, consider delaying it a week. I've asked her to consult the principal parties involved. Best Regards, Pat Donahoe ALMA Board Secretary ------------------------------------------------------------------- Although we have not yet heard from Chris I've tried to fill in the results of emails I have received at: https://wikio.nrao.edu/bin/view/ALMA/FtofDate Many emails, of course, provided richer detail than will fit within this matrix but I think it reflects the basic facts. Happy New Year! Al Al Wootten Interim Project Scientist ALMA, 40 El Golf, Piso 18 Las Condes, Santiago, Chile Tel: (56) (2) 467-6128 FAX: (56) (2) 467-6103 From The.Old.Year.to.the.New at nrao.edu Wed Dec 28 11:10:32 2005 From: The.Old.Year.to.the.New at nrao.edu (The.Old.Year.to.the.New at nrao.edu) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:10:32 -0500 Subject: [asac] Telecon 4 Jan 2006 Message-ID: <17330.47352.56146.903264@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> Folks, There will be a telecon next Wednesday, next year. Contact Information * 2006-Jan-4 21:00 UT * Duration: 1 hr * USA Toll Free Number: 877-874-1919 * Toll Number: +1-203-320-9891 * Passcode: 185064 * Leader: Al Wootten Agenda (not yet approved by the Chair): https://wikio.nrao.edu/bin/view/ALMA/ASAC4Jan06Agenda Happy New Year to all! Al Al Wootten Interim Project Scientist ALMA, 40 El Golf, Piso 18 Las Condes, Santiago, Chile Tel: (56) (2) 467-6128 FAX: (56) (2) 467-6103