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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Alberto,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What is the preferred way to establish whether a DOI landing page is available? I typed it into
<a href="https://dx.doi.org">https://dx.doi.org</a> yesterday, and it took me to the right page:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a href="https://sbn.psi.edu/pds/resource/doi/css_1.0.html">https://sbn.psi.edu/pds/resource/doi/css_1.0.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And I typed it in today, and it took me to the same place. Should I be doing something different? I’ve copied the earlier thread to folks at the SBN, but I’m not sure what is supposed to be broken (about DOI resolution).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see that an explicit <a href="https://doi.org/10.26033/80fq-dn90">
https://doi.org/10.26033/80fq-dn90</a>, or indeed clicking the SBN link above is hanging just now, but the DOI resolution seemed to deliver the exact same link. Perhaps the webserver is ailing or something with DNS resolution?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On 8/4/23, 8:24 AM, "Accomazzi, Alberto" wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">There are unfortunate cases where DOI landing pages are no longer available, and this is clearly a disservice to the users, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all is lost. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">In the case pointed out by Rob (doi:10.26033/80fq-dn90):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">1. We can still learn something about the dataset: <a href="https://commons.datacite.org/doi.org/10.26033/80fq-dn90">https://commons.datacite.org/doi.org/10.26033/80fq-dn90</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">2. We can still get to its metadata:
<a href="https://api.datacite.org/application/vnd.datacite.datacite+json/10.26033/80fq-dn90">
https://api.datacite.org/application/vnd.datacite.datacite+json/10.26033/80fq-dn90</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">3. We can still find a record of it in your favorite astronomy search interface: <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/doi:10.26033/80fq-dn90">https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/doi:10.26033/80fq-dn90</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The landing page does not work because it looks like somebody at PDS made a mistake in registering its url. The solution is to contact SBN to have this rectified (Rob are you doing this?).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The case of the AJ paper previously at UCP is similar, one can still find the record by entering its DOI in ads: <a href="https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/search/q=doi%3A%2210.1086%2F107156%22&sort=date%20desc%2C%20bibcode%20desc&p_=0">https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/search/q=doi%3A%2210.1086%2F107156%22&sort=date%20desc%2C%20bibcode%20desc&p_=0</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">And the glass may still be half full.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>Many keywords point outside the FITS file either implicitly or explicitly, e.g., software versioning, filter curves, instrument definitions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>I want to add the DOI pointing to the PDS archive containing the image.<o:p></o:p></p>
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At the moment, I’m thinking:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Courier New"">REFERENC= ‘doi:<span style="color:#212121">10.26033/80fq-dn90’</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Courier New"">BIBCODE = ‘2022pdss.data....7S’</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Or maybe DOI instead of REFERENC and omit “doi:”. I’ll ask my PDS colleagues what other projects have done in similar circumstances.<o:p></o:p></p>
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FITSBITS discussions tend to get very philosophical, including various folks suggesting we violate the standard in various ways. In a practical sense, I want data formats that will pass review and validation by PDS. My opinion on whether multiple REFERENC keywords
are acceptable doesn’t matter if PDS will reject the file for failing FITS validation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 8/4/23, 12:53 AM, "Marjolein Verkouter" wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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- any "REFERENC" value in a FITS file that points outside the FITS file itself will be liable to #FAIL and almost by definition will violate the FITS self-describing, self-containing design paradigm<br>
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- curious question from me: what is the point of putting a DOI in the FITS file? If the DOI describes the FITS file itself and you are able to read the REFERENC keyword I s'pect you have the actual digital object in hand already. The real question is: what
does "the DOI" actually mean? It is totally up to the publisher to define what is meant by "a DOI", and hence, what do you expect to see on the webpage of that DOI once it resolves. Again this is not the responsibility of FITS but of the publisher of the DOI,
and later the "owner" or "maintainer" in case the DOIs were transferred to a new owner/maintainer.<br>
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